Dan and Paul talk to the artist, Seppe De Meyere. Seppe shares his start as an artist, we contemplate the nature of existence and creativity, the need to make art, the UK leaving the European Union, and the joy of a good biscuit. Seppe plays us out with a jam on his modular synthesiser.

Dan and Paul talk to photographer, philosopher, filmmaker Sean Tucker. We discuss moving to Yorkshire, coping with adversity, mindfulness, the church, learning to talk in public, Sean's new book 'The Meaning in the Making', where ideas come from and getting inspired, whether Paul is an artist, and burning photographs.