051: Kate Burden
This week on the podcast, we have the wonderfully multi-talented Kate Burden.
Kate talks about being too young at 18 to goto university and how she kickstarted her creative career after having her third child. She also talks about finding old “Sticky” toys in her loft and how she sliced, broke and chopped them up to make new sculptures.
Reach out to us @idlehandssociety. Your hosts today are @danshigginson, @paulbenceuk, and @kate_burden on Instagram. You can support the Podcast by contributing to The Idle Hands Tip Jar.
“On creating new work during lockdown”
Everything felt so small and confined and restricted and your limited and when your pushed to push something, its a challenge but i like that.”
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Transcript
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00:00:04 Dan Higginson
Hi I'm Dan Higginson and welcome to the Idle House Society podcast. I'm joined today by Paul Bence. Good morning and we've also got the amazing Kate burden with us this morning.
00:00:14 Kate Burden
Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.
00:00:17 Dan Higginson
The three of us, we're gonna do an art heist, right? We're probably gonna get away with it. It's gonna be like an Ocean's 11 kind of deal. What are?
00:00:23 Dan Higginson
We seeing ohh God.
00:00:25 Paul Bence
That's a thing wherever you want test goes.
00:00:28 Dan Higginson
Yeah, we can go. Yeah. A youth. The notion of 11. It could be like, glamorous. Whatever.
00:00:32 Paul Bence
Yeah, it could be Tesco. It could be Sainsbury's.
00:00:35 Kate Burden
Ohh my gosh.
00:00:36 Kate Burden
I used to stay up, used to steal those magazines because they're so expensive. Yeah, I just used to steal them because they just like big.
00:00:44 Paul Bence
I I get it.
00:00:49 Paul Bence
Like £20 or something only.
00:00:51 Kate Burden
Yeah. And then.
00:00:52 Kate Burden
The only thing like Tesco and.
00:00:54 Paul Bence
That that's fine. Tesco makes loads of money they can afford. They can afford it.
00:00:56 Kate Burden
Yeah. Oh my God.
00:01:01 Dan Higginson
We are encouraging.
00:01:01
OK.
00:01:02 Dan Higginson
Everybody listening to go to Tesco right now and still vogue magazines.
00:01:10 Dan Higginson
It has.
00:01:12 Dan Higginson
So. So what are you talking about? That, that's that's probably right. So there's anything like a masterpiece. Personally, I think I'd want to take the moment, Lisa, because I just like.
00:01:17 Paul Bence
You can take.
00:01:20 Dan Higginson
The idea of.
00:01:20 Dan Higginson
Having it in the house.
00:01:22 Dan Higginson
Is it the real one? No. Yeah. I want the real one. I want people to walk in the hallway, like into my ship house.
00:01:27 Dan Higginson
And then just see like the actual moon the least and go. Is that the?
00:01:30 Dan Higginson
One that we're missing, like a few weeks ago.
00:01:32 Kate Burden
I I would I would still.
00:01:37 Kate Burden
I would still like this photograph that I've been obsessed with since the kid was not photographed. It's so brash as an art piece. It's a it's a fairy cup. You know, the Fairy Cup and saucer.
00:01:51 Kate Burden
The surrealist it's by an artist called Merit Oppenheim. I'm really, really should pronouncing names.
00:02:00 Kate Burden
But I think that's.
00:02:01 Kate Burden
Her name? Ohh. Thank you. But it's very sorry it blew my mind. I was just like.
00:02:01 Paul Bence
You do it because the.
00:02:11 Kate Burden
Not see it, it's.
00:02:12 Kate Burden
Like the none of the old.
00:02:15 Kate Burden
Masters and it's just taking something so simple.
00:02:18 Kate Burden
Like a couple.
00:02:19 Kate Burden
And then just tame it on its head, covering it into and.
00:02:24 Kate Burden
It just like.
00:02:25 Kate Burden
Blew my thinking apart. I steal that.
00:02:29 Dan Higginson
It's still there.
00:02:32 Dan Higginson
It's good and it's like a nice inspirational one as well, right? Because that that means something to you. How old were you? Sorry.
00:02:39 Kate Burden
I think it was. I mean, I know I was at school, so I'm assuming about 1415 or something. It's just a little black and white photograph of it. And I saw that and I read a little bit. I didn't know they are the same or anything, but like it was in an art book and I was just like.
00:02:55 Kate Burden
That's amazing. This. Yeah. I think it's called breakfast breakfasting, Sir. Or lunching, Sir, or something like that.
00:03:04 Dan Higginson
We'll find it. We'll put it in the.
00:03:05 Dan Higginson
Show notes.
00:03:06 Paul Bence
Tell us. Tell us. Tell. Tell us a little bit.
00:03:11 Paul Bence
No, no, no. You carry on. It's alright. Sorry, I didn't want to.
00:03:13 Speaker 4
Think it's.
00:03:14 Kate Burden
Fine, right. I think it's really well known and I think probably the I think she, like, hates it now, like or I think she's dead now. Actually. So yeah.
00:03:28 Kate Burden
Those pieces there, I think it's just like.
00:03:31 Kate Burden
That it got so famous.
00:03:34 Dan Higginson
I'm going to I'm going to. I'm searching for it right now.
00:03:37 Kate Burden
I wouldn't be bothered if I would start playing this at one piece of mark, yeah.
00:03:41 Paul Bence
And yeah, I think yeah, absolutely right. Would would it matter?
00:03:45 Dan Higginson
This is a.
00:03:46 Kate Burden
Like, come on.
00:03:48 Dan Higginson
Would you rather have?
00:03:50 Dan Higginson
One like well known all over the world. Peace. Or would you rather just have like a long and quiet career?
00:03:57 Kate Burden
Ohh God, what like?
00:04:00 Paul Bence
One hit wonder.
00:04:01 Dan Higginson
Like 1, not even a hit like something that goes in books. Do you know what I mean? Like it could be serious. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to be Rick Astley like it. It could be something.
00:04:13 Dan Higginson
Like religious, and really amazing.
00:04:15 Kate Burden
Gave goal. Now though in teams like right?
00:04:16 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah. They're, like, hanging out together, yeah.
00:04:19 Kate Burden
Well, like I think he's kind of like a nice guy. I wonder what he thinks about, like, I bet he didn't care. I bet he was just like one hit wonder. And then he's coming out with Dave gone. It's still cool, isn't he, now? So I don't know. Probably I wanna say a long and quiet career, but I think I'll probably like.
00:04:27 Paul Bence
But he lived off it.
00:04:27 Dan Higginson
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:39 Dan Higginson
Yeah, depending on what mourning it is, like I I think I'm in.
00:04:45 Dan Higginson
The same boat.
00:04:47 Dan Higginson
Isn't it cool being textbooks?
00:04:48 Paul Bence
I don't know. No, I think I I just think maybe having a long, quiet but successful career that you could just you know you don't have to worry about the.
00:04:50 Dan Higginson
What do you reckon for?
00:04:58 Paul Bence
Stress of, you know you've asked anybody who's famously hated, right? Like they, I don't know many things. People who say they like.
00:05:04 Dan Higginson
Theme, but I don't know many artists that get recognised when they walk down the street, do you?
00:05:06 Kate Burden
Yeah. I just.
00:05:09 Dan Higginson
Know what?
00:05:09 Dan Higginson
I mean, yeah, like this is the level of pain we're talking about. Like we're we're not.
00:05:10 Paul Bence
Yeah, maybe you haven't been to ones you have been to ones. I'm going down the High Street like Ben. See how you're doing.
00:05:20 Dan Higginson
Yeah, that's the place that's cause of the.
00:05:22 Dan Higginson
Incident the other week.
00:05:24 Paul Bence
Mr this.
00:05:27
Your scooter.
00:05:30 Paul Bence
But this one.
00:05:31 Paul Bence
For another day, is it is it?
00:05:33 Dan Higginson
Is it one for today?
00:05:35 Dan Higginson
Maybe later. He's on my line.
00:05:39 Paul Bence
Kate tell tell us a little bit about you. Tell us, UM, what you do, why you do it and what what gets on your nerves.
00:05:49 Kate Burden
Ohh God loads of things get on their nerves. You probably could tell if you've had a look. I think I was like God, I think my work's getting like quite ranty or like quite like, you know or.
00:06:04 Kate Burden
So start where it all started again, because I went to university and when I was young and I think I think it's a little bit too young to go to, to do a fine art court or school was like 18. I think that everybody should kind of like do it and they're a little bit older and they know what's going on.
00:06:25 Kate Burden
So yeah, I did that and I didn't do anything for like ages and stuff. And it was during the the the second lockdown.
00:06:35 Kate Burden
So I've I've had.
00:06:36 Kate Burden
My third child in the first lockdown.
00:06:40 Kate Burden
And then I.
00:06:41 Kate Burden
Was speaking to my friend Vanessa outside.
00:06:44 Kate Burden
Waterstones and and.
00:06:46 Kate Burden
I was just like.
00:06:47 Kate Burden
I need something I need to, you know, everything's just, like, felt like the world's, like closing in, you know, and then.
00:06:54 Dan Higginson
Yeah, it was pretty rough.
00:06:57 Kate Burden
Yeah. I just.
00:06:58 Kate Burden
I just. I just need to do something for myself and and to, you know, just create something for me. And she was just like, why don't you? It's her fault, she said, why didn't you?
00:07:14 Kate Burden
Why don't you like use Instagram as a way of just like doing the thing and getting it out there, you know? And so I do it and then now I can't stop doing it. And now it's got like to be a thing. It's a good thing. But yeah, so.
00:07:30
So what?
00:07:32 Dan Higginson
It was that thing you were doing before and just not showing you on Instagram like when did this start?
00:07:37 Kate Burden
Now it was so. It was like in 2021. That was like the second lock down like in in this in this being summer of 21. And so I was just started to, yeah, making stuff then those and those cultures and yeah, just.
00:07:57 Speaker 4
Were you were you were.
00:07:58 Paul Bence
You making the actual sculptures?
00:08:00 Paul Bence
Themselves in terms of the OR were you finding bits? I was I I was conscious. When I look at them like this. Like a baby with.
00:08:08 Paul Bence
They're amazing, but I'm curious. When you when you finding the bits and then sticking them together or were you actually using 3D printing? Or was it a combination of both or I'm sorry.
00:08:18 Kate Burden
So now it's. Yeah. Well, it all started. So my partners, mum and Dad had, like, cleared loads of stuff. So. And they laughed and they said, yeah, there's this big bag of your old toys and they're just like, I don't want to deal with them. You know, they're all broken. They're like screws.
00:08:40 Kate Burden
In many horrible things. And so yeah.
00:08:43 Dan Higginson
Though it's not like the lost as well.
00:08:45 Dan Higginson
Yeah, that's what is that. It's like there's musty. It's like the insulation or something up there. But every loft smells the.
00:08:51 Kate Burden
Same kind of like sticky sticky these tones and then you know, like he man figures restless legs and like stuff like that. And I don't know. Just like you get to a certain age.
00:09:05 Kate Burden
Where your mum and dad go.
00:09:09 Kate Burden
He take it now. Now you've, like, moved out and you've got kids in your own and stuff.
00:09:14 Kate Burden
Like take it.
00:09:15 Kate Burden
So I've got some stuff. It's stuff that I wouldn't give my kids to play with because.
00:09:20 Kate Burden
They're just like kind.
00:09:21 Kate Burden
Of gross and you're just like.
00:09:23 Kate Burden
Well, they're not into that anyway.
00:09:25 Dan Higginson
Just a bit, just a bit knife.
00:09:26 Kate Burden
Right. Yeah. So, like big bag of stuff. So I had this idea of like.
00:09:32 Kate Burden
Initially like to totem poles, you know, like the stuff early childhood and like how it like.
00:09:40 Kate Burden
Toys are really precious and they mean things.
00:09:42 Kate Burden
To you and like.
00:09:43 Kate Burden
Stuff like that. So. Well, this is what was on my mind and I just basically took this bag of toys that.
00:09:50 Kate Burden
My partner had and.
00:09:54 Kate Burden
Yeah, just like chopped him.
00:09:56 Kate Burden
But from destroyed his childhood, basically, just like talk to him.
00:10:00 Kate Burden
A lot and.
00:10:03 Kate Burden
Just to see what would come off like that, I think it's just the materials that were around me at the time because I've locked down. That's the thing. That's all I had in the house. You know, I didn't have any books at this stage. Any like children's book, old children's books and stuff like that. So the coloured stuff later.
00:10:22 Kate Burden
But yeah, it was just it's.
00:10:24 Paul Bence
It's amazing. I think. I think when you're restricted, maybe it it it forces you to be even more creative, right? And I think there's something beautiful about that. I think there's something really lovely.
00:10:32 Kate Burden
Yeah, I think it's OK, but it's so small. Everything feels so small.
00:10:38 Kate Burden
And like confined restricted user like limited. And then when you push to kind of like right, I'm just gonna do something.
00:10:46 Kate Burden
Yeah, you do. You carry. You can be right.
00:10:49 Kate Burden
You know, it's like a challenge, you know.
00:10:54 Paul Bence
A little puzzle.
00:10:55 Speaker 4
Yeah, I kind.
00:10:55 Speaker 4
Of like that though.
00:10:57 Paul Bence
Yeah, it's really, I like it. I really like it.
00:10:59 Paul Bence
It's really cool.
00:11:00 Paul Bence
What really cool.
00:11:00 Dan Higginson
Or did you ever half think of it all? Cause like these are his toys. Did he think you were a bit crazy?
00:11:04 Dan Higginson
To start with, like what? Yeah. What was? Well, yeah.
00:11:08 Kate Burden
I think I think he hates. I think he hates me just like.
00:11:14 Paul Bence
You believe my childhood?
00:11:19 Kate Burden
Yeah, I think his brother stole most of the way. The good stuff, like old Star Wars stores. So I think that he was left with just like Legs, Hulk Hogan or and stuff like that. So he's quite including encouraging, actually cause like he.
00:11:38 Kate Burden
He's an art teacher and he makes.
00:11:41 Kate Burden
He makes it as well. So there's like, but he's still collage and stuff. So, but I wanted to do something that wasn't collage because he did it. So you know, because I.
00:11:52 Kate Burden
Was like God.
00:11:53 Kate Burden
I'm not like competing with that. Yeah, but I think like.
00:12:00 Kate Burden
I came out of this somewhere.
00:12:02 Kate Burden
In it.
00:12:04 Paul Bence
We were just having you. Can you hear you? Are you having audio problems then done or not?
00:12:08 Dan Higginson
A little bit, yeah.
00:12:12 Paul Bence
That those videos, though, from that guy you maybe watch the ******* boat guy. The the pesos face. So it's the it's the most amazing thing. It's just so good. I've been telling everybody. Yeah, it's it's so good. I have. I've been telling everybody I meet.
00:12:21
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:12:24 Dan Higginson
I think he's gonna be my child this week.
00:12:30 Dan Higginson
I've been telling you.
00:12:31 Dan Higginson
About this guy since he did his first.
00:12:32 Dan Higginson
One right.
00:12:33 Paul Bence
Not so good. It's so I I can't believe I missed it. I got it. You know, sometimes.
00:12:39 Paul Bence
Decided. Yeah. And it's just so good. You're like.
00:12:44 Paul Bence
Danielle, you're going to be the Internet God. Obviously. Like is the best thing.
00:12:49 Dan Higginson
Because I I found him and he had like 100 followers or something on them.
00:12:54 Dan Higginson
On YouTube it probably wasn't hundred. It was probably a couple of 1000, but it it was low right? It was really low and he had one video. It wasn't even a video, it was a trailer for a video that he was gonna release. And I was like immediately it's. This is the.
00:13:07 Dan Higginson
Best thing I've.
00:13:07 Dan Higginson
Seen on the Internet ever so.
00:13:09 Paul Bence
Good. So good.
00:13:11 Paul Bence
Is so well thought through and everything is just like.
00:13:15 Dan Higginson
It's so layered and it's so random.
00:13:17 Paul Bence
Yeah. So can this be like?
00:13:19 Paul Bence
Hair on his.
00:13:20 Dan Higginson
Arms. He's sort of funny.
00:13:23 Paul Bence
It's so funny. Yeah. It's so funny. It's like.
00:13:29 Dan Higginson
He used to record them both.
00:13:30 Paul Bence
But it is it, it's just it's just like I I've seen a lot of stuff on the Internet and it's up there like I.
00:13:37 Dan Higginson
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's peak and.
00:13:40 Paul Bence
Peak peak Internet. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:43 Paul Bence
Well, like, how do you even find that? I mean, how did you even come across it? What were you, what were you?
00:13:48 Paul Bence
Searching man with here.
00:13:48 Dan Higginson
My my YouTube.
00:13:50 Dan Higginson
Algorithm is dark. It's it's my Sissy mother is like pretty funked up.
00:13:56 Paul Bence
I I know what it is now you have to hear transplant. That's what did you.
00:14:04 Dan Higginson
See the first have you watched?
00:14:05 Paul Bence
All of them? No. I've only watched one.
00:14:07 Dan Higginson
But OK, OK. So the first one is absolutely brilliant. He does a diorama of the time Mel Gibson was arrest.
00:14:15 Dan Higginson
Did for drunk driving and he makes the whole diorama and he goes to extraordinary lengths to try and make it accurate.
00:14:17 Paul Bence
OK, OK.
00:14:24 Dan Higginson
It's so ******* good.
00:14:24 Paul Bence
My it's it's mind-blowing. It's honestly cause the the skill in the art as well right in the create in the world.
00:14:27 Dan Higginson
So good.
00:14:32 Dan Higginson
Dude from mega talented.
00:14:33 Paul Bence
Yeah, like, it's mind-blowing. He's mind.
00:14:36 Dan Higginson
Blowing this alright, this is literally gonna be my shout out this week and I think I might just leave this whole bit of conversation in. So it's Bobby fingers. Bobby Fingers on on YouTube. It's just the best thing ever.
00:14:45 Paul Bence
Everybody, if you know.
00:14:47 Paul Bence
It like I it's one of those things that will go down in Internet folklore. It is it is, it is.
00:14:52 Dan Higginson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:53 Dan Higginson
Yeah. I I, I really hope he makes a hundred 100 videos.
00:14:58 Paul Bence
I I I I want to meet him. We.
00:14:59 Paul Bence
Want to get him on?
00:15:00 Paul Bence
The podcast, that's what we're going to do.
00:15:00 Dan Higginson
Do you think do you think?
00:15:01 Dan Higginson
It though.
00:15:02 Paul Bence
Why not? Why not? Why not eat? Maybe we'll get.
00:15:03 Dan Higginson
I don't know. We're a bit better, a bit beneath him, aren't we?
00:15:09 Dan Higginson
Are you are you in? You're in, OK?
00:15:11 Kate Burden
He took out, I mean.
00:15:11 Dan Higginson
How's it going?
00:15:12 Paul Bence
Are we talking about this? Do you know?
00:15:14 Paul Bence
Where Bobby fingers is.
00:15:16 Kate Burden
Bobby Fingers now I don't.
00:15:18 Dan Higginson
OK, so there's this.
00:15:20 Dan Higginson
There's this Irish guy on YouTube.
00:15:23 Dan Higginson
And he.
00:15:24 Dan Higginson
These the literally the funniest thing on the Internet.
00:15:27 Paul Bence
It's really, really.
00:15:28 Dan Higginson
Artistic and creative. But he is also absolutely hilarious, and what he does is he makes physical models of things like dioramas, little sculptures and stuff. So I think the first video it might have been the second one. It's not important. I think the first video.
00:15:44 Dan Higginson
It was like it was the time. It was a diorama of the time that Mel Gibson was arrested for drunk driving and he just goes.
00:15:51 Dan Higginson
To ridiculous levels to make sure everything is perfect.
00:15:55 Dan Higginson
And the whole way through, he's cracking wise and he's super talented. The little models that he makes are just they're so accurate. I think he works in, in the cinema or something. Maybe I I just get.
00:16:08 Dan Higginson
The impression?
00:16:09 Kate Burden
Speaking out, it sounds good. I love to say that, yeah.
00:16:11 Paul Bence
Yeah, it's mind blowing. It's mine. It's we did one of like Jeff Beast. He made a boat out of Jeff Bezos's head. And you know, that's like, random.
00:16:20 Dan Higginson
Right for his.
00:16:23 Kate Burden
Like, is he making?
00:16:23 Paul Bence
No, no, no.
00:16:24 Dan Higginson
No, he made a.
00:16:25 Dan Higginson
Full size Jeff Bezos face like it was about 9 foot long and it's ridiculously accurate. And he turned into a boat.
00:16:36 Speaker 4
You are OK.
00:16:37 Paul Bence
I've never seen it that like it's.
00:16:38 Dan Higginson
You are living in the dark, both of you.
00:16:41 Paul Bence
It's mind blowing, Kate. Honestly.
00:16:44 Paul Bence
Like as as as soon as you finish talking to us, I'll spend the next half an hour watching. It's just mind blowing. How, how skillful.
00:16:52 Paul Bence
Yes, and how he how, how he how he how he made this video. I just like it just takes you so.
00:16:53 Kate Burden
Good day.
00:16:58 Paul Bence
Layer just like.
00:16:59 Dan Higginson
Yeah, it's really, really layered. I'm not gonna ruin any of it for you, but there are.
00:16:59 Paul Bence
I can't even.
00:17:02 Paul Bence
No, no.
00:17:03 Dan Higginson
Moments where he where he's not making the boat anymore and you're still watching him. I bought half my watching now and then it'll come back and finish the boat. It's it's. It's brilliant. I think it's gonna be right up your street, actually, because it's got that there's like, this touch of darkness to everything he does. Do you know what I mean? There's there's, like, an underlying.
00:17:22 Speaker 4
What are you trying to say about Kate?
00:17:23 Dan Higginson
Dan, listen, I I I was. I was.
00:17:24 Kate Burden
I know.
00:17:27 Dan Higginson
The kid at 14, like 15. I used to paint my nails black. I used to listen to like Marilyn Manson, but I I I am that kid. Yeah, mate, I honestly, it's super embarrassing, right? But that was me. I was that little goth kid.
00:17:40 Dan Higginson
Under God.
00:17:40 Kate Burden
To the end.
00:17:42 Paul Bence
But you look beautiful down as the goth.
00:17:44 Dan Higginson
Kids. Right? I I'm. I mean, I'm sat here wearing all black right now.
00:17:47 Dan Higginson
I I I just.
00:17:49
I've got an.
00:17:49 Dan Higginson
Evil dead T-shirt on as we.
00:17:51 Dan Higginson
Big like a literal evil dead T-shirt.
00:17:53 Paul Bence
Review. Yeah, he's gonna. He's.
00:17:55 Paul Bence
Gonna take his clothes off. OK. It's not one of.
00:17:56 Dan Higginson
Yeah, I'm. I'm stripping. Yeah, you guys can't see it, but I am stripping back here.
00:17:57 Paul Bence
The podcasts I promise. Time. Stop, stop.
00:18:06 Dan Higginson
This has gone so far off of the.
00:18:08 Dan Higginson
Rails, but that's that's, that's just.
00:18:09 Kate Burden
Yes, that's good. I'm. I'm gonna put that on my list. I've got a list that people recommend me, and I'm gonna get through it, you know, cause it's just, it's massive out there, you know, on the TV and in the world and on the Internet. And I'm just like.
00:18:23 Dan Higginson
There's too much. There's there's too much you you need it curated. If only somebody was doing a mailing list where every month or so they pulled together like the 10 best things.
00:18:36 Kate Burden
The algorithms don't get it right away. So yeah, Bobby fingers that'll be on the.
00:18:38 Paul Bence
They don't. No, no.
00:18:43 Kate Burden
Top of my list.
00:18:44 Paul Bence
I I I maybe even have we, we've just started and we, Daniel, a newsletter where we.
00:18:49 Paul Bence
Great things like Bobby fingers. Well, I think he's going to go on the 2nd the 2nd loop we maybe we can force him.
00:18:55 Paul Bence
On the first one.
00:18:55 Dan Higginson
We we get on the first one.
00:18:56 Paul Bence
Though because it's because it's so good.
00:18:59 Paul Bence
Well, we're good, but that's exactly before you came back on. We were talking about maybe. Let's see if we can get Bobby fingers.
00:19:05 Paul Bence
On so. But so Bobby.
00:19:07 Kate Burden
Put him on.
00:19:09 Kate Burden
I didn't walk.
00:19:16 Kate Burden
You go back.
00:19:18 Paul Bence
Kate, we, we, we we had an engineer problem, but we're back. Let's get. Let's get back to talking about cause. That's where we are today. So yeah. So you you did the sculptures. Go on. Sorry. Sorry. You go on you.
00:19:23 Speaker 4
OK.
00:19:28 Kate Burden
Well, I was just going to say.
00:19:32 Kate Burden
So I've listened to you start some of your podcasts and stuff, and I noticed cause I I've never heard of YouTube before. So give me someone needs to tell me what to listen to.
00:19:43 Dan Higginson
That's fine. Nobody's ever heard of us before.
00:19:45 Dan Higginson
Kate, we're we in the dark.
00:19:45 Paul Bence
You know where we are. We love existence.
00:19:48 Kate Burden
So it's good. It's really good though, because I I saw a few photographers, I see him this way and Martin Salter and I saw Steven Wesley doing this and it popped up on his Instagram feed. And I was like, ohh, check these guys out. And then when you asked me to come out, I was like, I don't think they think that I'm some sort of like.
00:20:10 Dan Higginson
You are a professional, Kate.
00:20:12 Paul Bence
Kate and I. Yeah. Let's let's celebrate that. You make a ******* ******* amazing work like it's.
00:20:17 Speaker 4
Great, you should be.
00:20:18 Speaker 4
Really proud of.
00:20:19 Paul Bence
It you know.
00:20:19 Kate Burden
Well, thank you. But I was, I I was those guys and I'm just.
00:20:24 Kate Burden
You know I yeah, I was just like and.
00:20:27 Kate Burden
Then I was.
00:20:28 Kate Burden
Just like, oh, God, listen to the podcast. I listen to it and it's brilliant. You know, the question that you're asking you've.
00:20:34 Kate Burden
Got like a real rapport with people and it.
00:20:38 Kate Burden
Really works like it. It's really like down to Earth and I just think that more people.
00:20:44 Kate Burden
To be listening to you guys.
00:20:45 Kate Burden
You know completely, absolutely a little bit.
00:20:48 Paul Bence
Some, sometimes. Sometimes Daniel hasn't really got a good sense of him. Right, exactly. I'm glad you said that. Saved in about nine months. He looks like a really weird ginger face. Christmas.
00:20:51 Dan Higginson
Now I'm funny looking. That's that's where I excel in comedy.
00:21:01 Dan Higginson
I shaved Father thing this morning.
00:21:04 Paul Bence
Have you got ginger in your beard? I've just noticed this for the first.
00:21:07 Dan Higginson
Time. How have you only just noticed when my.
00:21:09 Dan Higginson
Beard is red, right? Like entirely red pull.
00:21:13 Paul Bence
Any red down below as well?
00:21:15 Kate Burden
If I was a man, I think I have a ginger beard because I sometimes see like ginger hair in my sideburns and I'm like, I reckon if I was a.
00:21:23 Kate Burden
Man, I'd be.
00:21:23 Dan Higginson
Yeah, I think you would. That's that's that's pretty much what's going on with.
00:21:29 Dan Higginson
Me like.
00:21:31 Dan Higginson
Brown and then.
00:21:31 Paul Bence
Give it, give it, give it another.
00:21:32 Paul Bence
20 years Kate.
00:21:37 Speaker 4
Not probably.
00:21:42 Dan Higginson
Thank you. That's very kind of you, Kate. We, I don't know if it's deliberate. I think it's like the only lane we can live in is just having a chat with people, because I find it more interesting finding out what makes somebody tick. I feel like I learn more about somebody's work than if they just kind of.
00:22:01 Dan Higginson
Yeah. Spout what they've written in their.
00:22:03 Dan Higginson
Bio do you know what I mean? Like.
00:22:04 Kate Burden
Yeah. I I I do. Yeah, I get that as well. And also I think it's also the artist to think like actually you know why?
00:22:14 Kate Burden
Why am I doing this?
00:22:17 Kate Burden
What you know, like put it into their own mind. Well, to me anyway, it feels like it's it's good every so often to kind of like, think.
00:22:26 Kate Burden
How do you? So what's the point of this? Yeah, it's good that you're out there asking these questions because it's like.
00:22:35 Dan Higginson
Do you reckon?
00:22:35 Dan Higginson
What do you reckon there is an answer to?
00:22:37 Dan Higginson
That question, right?
00:22:38 Paul Bence
Yeah. What's the point for you? I was going to ask, what's the point when, when you ask yourself that question, what? What's the answer?
00:22:43 Paul Bence
You come back with.
00:22:45 Kate Burden
What is the point?
00:22:46 Kate Burden
But I think sometimes I just think what is, what is what? I think it's just this.
00:22:55 Kate Burden
Well, is that making sense of the things it's like? It's the things really. I think it's like, you know.
00:23:04 Kate Burden
Just kind of like I've got something to say. You know, I've got something to say about that. I don't exactly know what it is. What I'm trying to say, but it's gonna come out anyway. And just about there's no great massive things in the work. It's just like the mundane things and just existing.
00:23:26 Kate Burden
In this time and.
00:23:29 Kate Burden
I don't know conversations and you know, it's all like kind of and it.
00:23:33 Dan Higginson
Is there always something?
00:23:33 Kate Burden
Just felt like.
00:23:34 Dan Higginson
That sparks it for you. Or is it? Or is it ever just like, sorry, I'm going to speak about my own work for a second. Right? So other people? Yeah, I know. I know it's the worst, but it's it's a it's a way into asking your questions. I'm very sorry.
00:23:42 Paul Bence
He always does this. He always does this.
00:23:50 Dan Higginson
I know that when I do stuff and when I talk to other people that work in a similar way to me, everybody else has this like deep, meaningful thing going on underneath where they're like really trying to answer a question about themselves. And with me, it just doesn't feel that deep. I'm just making work that I like about people that where I enjoy their company.
00:24:08 Dan Higginson
Like is do you do you always have. Uh, a little spark at the beginning of your work or or is? Or are you? Or are you ever just trying to do something that you think looks cool and then wondering what it means afterwards?
00:24:23 Kate Burden
Yeah, you know.
00:24:24 Kate Burden
I think there's like.
00:24:25 Kate Burden
There's both to it, and I think that.
00:24:29 Kate Burden
Maybe you and like sometimes I do. I think that there is something going on that you don't know about. Like yourself, you're not consciously aware of it, that if you really had someone dig down in the depths of your mind and like God.
00:24:48 Kate Burden
It's this alright? You know, I think that.
00:24:53 Kate Burden
It is.
00:24:55 Kate Burden
In your and it's your, it's your your way of looking at the world and everything about you that comes out of you, even though you don't actually know it at the time there. I think that and then.
00:25:10 Kate Burden
Aesthetically, like the things that I change are like.
00:25:14 Kate Burden
They do look cool because toys are cool. Aren't they really old toys are well, I think they are, but I think maybe that era is because it's like my childhood or like and and it looks a bit better than a bit old, but that's the aesthetic I go for. Maybe it is just that on a basic level.
00:25:36 Kate Burden
But maybe there's more.
00:25:37 Kate Burden
To it than that that I don't. I'm not really.
00:25:41
OK.
00:25:43 Paul Bence
Really difficult. It's really difficult to articulate it. I think it is like even you some like you know it's it's very intuitive, isn't it?
00:25:50 Paul Bence
The way you work, right, you're.
00:25:51 Paul Bence
I imagine you've got a load of maybe old books or something that you see in a in a book. I really like that I'm gonna cut that out and then you have something you put with it and you're like, well, maybe something else and then you start. And it's like, oh, this is cool. I'm.
00:26:02 Paul Bence
Gonna do a few.
00:26:03 Paul Bence
More of these and it kind of it's like this natural thing that happens when you're making that you're not.
00:26:10 Paul Bence
Aware of you're completely.
00:26:11 Paul Bence
You don't know why you're making it, but it feels right. There's something your little buzz inside, like a little. It's like a little moan of joy. Maybe doing a little.
00:26:19 Paul Bence
Fart or something? Nobody hears it.
00:26:21 Paul Bence
It's, but it is alright. A secret one.
00:26:25 Kate Burden
It's everything about that. It's like.
00:26:28 Kate Burden
It's like the collecting of things in my ohh famous really good book or our families and then you gather in all the time.
00:26:37 Kate Burden
And you keep him in there like, and then you get them all out. And it's just like sifting through. And it takes ages to do it. And but you're not really thinking about much more than finding the thing you don't even know what it is.
00:26:49 Kate Burden
Sometimes what? You're.
00:26:50 Kate Burden
Looking for, I think it's.
00:26:52 Kate Burden
That's the nature of like.
00:26:54 Kate Burden
The materials that I've got, you know, the big bag toys and the loads of old books now, so you kind of just waiting for it to kind of like come to you a little bit rather than I've got to make this piece about this.
00:27:11 Kate Burden
But then things.
00:27:12 Kate Burden
It does work through the way around. You do go and go looking for pieces. Well, I.
00:27:18 Kate Burden
Do I kind of gone back?
00:27:19 Kate Burden
To the little toy sculptures again so.
00:27:22 Paul Bence
But there's, you know, you said about totem poles when you started, so there's a there's a Canadian.
00:27:27 Paul Bence
Think Brother Brother team called Fail with an E at the end and they made totem poles of where they grew up in. Think the Canadian they might be American, so I'm not 100% sure, but I think you should make a big totem pole with all the toys you know hugely.
00:27:42 Kate Burden
Yeah. Or the rejects.
00:27:44 Paul Bence
Yeah, this, this, this man sitting outside your house.
00:27:47 Kate Burden
Actually the name is a little bit around here.
00:27:54 Paul Bence
I was also going to ask you said your husband's math teacher, right? All his partners. Ah, and that teacher.
00:27:59 Paul Bence
And he called Carla.
00:28:00 Paul Bence
Are you competitive like is like are you competitive, does he do you do you, do you have a little bit of friendly competition?
00:28:05 Kate Burden
There's there's no.
00:28:07 Kate Burden
It's it's very it's different to me. It's very different to me, but he doesn't like it. It's like he's like in their working and I'm like, you know.
00:28:26 Kate Burden
Even it's just a bit like and then.
00:28:29 Kate Burden
And but I kind of like that, you know it like a studio sounds like a, you know, like a, you know, whatever. And you're working with somebody you go like ohh like a family. So I don't like working on my own.
00:28:44 Dan Higginson
You want to collaborate.
00:28:44 Kate Burden
And I think that.
00:28:45 Kate Burden
Yeah. And I think that that's what I want to do like.
00:28:49 Kate Burden
And and that's where.
00:28:52 Kate Burden
Like, that's why Instagram is so good for the opportunities. You know, collaborating with people and like, that's what interests me more than, say, just.
00:29:04 Kate Burden
I want to work with people. You know, I want to work with different people and see what that brings and see what brings out of myself and my art as well. I think that it's good for that and it makes the world so.
00:29:16 Kate Burden
Small and like.
00:29:17 Kate Burden
I don't know. I just. I don't really get out there. Don't really get out.
00:29:21 Paul Bence
Really, there's alright. You're.
00:29:22 Paul Bence
Right. Isn't you got three kids, right? You got.
00:29:24 Paul Bence
Three kids, so.
00:29:25 Paul Bence
How how do you how do you manage your time? That's the other thing I was going to ask. That must be quite difficult as well. Right. Like three, I've got I've.
00:29:30
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:31 Paul Bence
Got two in this house, so three must be wow.
00:29:34 Kate Burden
About I think the.
00:29:36 Kate Burden
Third one is just like push me over the edge I.
00:29:38 Kate Burden
Was just like.
00:29:40 Kate Burden
Yeah, but they're really young for like 7-5 and three. And so yeah, it's kind of like sitting in around that. So it's like when they've gone to bed and it's not every night. But it's when I can do it. And then when I'm looking for stuff, it's.
00:29:44 Paul Bence
OK.
00:29:59 Kate Burden
Like cool kids.
00:30:00 Kate Burden
You go to this.
00:30:01 Kate Burden
Charity shop and they're like or like.
00:30:04 Kate Burden
You know like.
00:30:07 Kate Burden
I'll let him play with it for a.
00:30:08 Kate Burden
Bit and then I'll like take it away.
00:30:12 Paul Bence
Stick it up whenever.
00:30:14 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:30:16 Kate Burden
He said he came downstairs one morning and I didn't want him.
00:30:21 Kate Burden
Hey I know where those hands are from. That's my dog. But it was already broken. I was like, I'm sorry. I'll get you on the phone, you know?
00:30:33 Kate Burden
Yeah, I love it.
00:30:35 Dan Higginson
Do you think you would join?
00:30:37 Dan Higginson
Up with some studio space to site some shared.
00:30:41 Dan Higginson
Artist, you just I think that'd be, I think that'd be really cool.
00:30:44 Kate Burden
I think I'd like to do some because everything's small. You know everything at the house is small, there's no space million kids and it's like.
00:30:55 Paul Bence
I like your chair.
00:30:56 Kate Burden
All right.
00:30:58 Paul Bence
Excuse me.
00:31:02 Dan Higginson
That's a good skin. Find that one.
00:31:05 Kate Burden
And this is.
00:31:09 Kate Burden
Paul B. And it's. Yeah. So I think I'd like to do.
00:31:11 Dan Higginson
Back there.
00:31:15 Kate Burden
Some large scale kind of.
00:31:17 Kate Burden
Things there's something big breakout, you know.
00:31:20 Dan Higginson
Like a totem pole.
00:31:22 Dan Higginson
A 10 foot home.
00:31:23 Paul Bence
Bolt made with plastic toys, yes.
00:31:27 Kate Burden
Yeah. And then if you.
00:31:28 Kate Burden
Play around the scale, it might. I don't know. I don't know it. Like lose. It's me, you know? But I'd love to. Just, like, break out, get bigger, you know.
00:31:37 Kate Burden
Collaborations with people.
00:31:39 Kate Burden
Like you get really weird things come up on Instagram and weird propositions and stuff which.
00:31:45 Kate Burden
Is a bit weird.
00:31:46 Kate Burden
And you also get like good.
00:31:49 Kate Burden
Things as well, so yeah.
00:31:54 Paul Bence
Drop down.
00:31:57 Dan Higginson
Why are you picking on me today, Paul? What?
00:31:58 Dan Higginson
Have I done right?
00:32:02 Paul Bence
Days done. Just one of those days.
00:32:05 Dan Higginson
Now, when was it yesterday? Monday, Monday and and and now he's picking on me because he's all grumpy and tooth achy.
00:32:13 Paul Bence
It was. It was awful. It's possibly the worst thing in my life. I hate the dentist. I think dentists are sent to Earth to destroy us.
00:32:23 Kate Burden
Now we root canal and it and twice.
00:32:26 Paul Bence
Yeah, I didn't think twice this was the second time.
00:32:29 Paul Bence
It's like.
00:32:30 Kate Burden
Pay private at pay private prices and then.
00:32:31 Paul Bence
Yeah, me too. Me too. Me too.
00:32:34 Paul Bence
Do you know when they make you do an X-ray? You have to chew on this piece of plastic in your mouth just cutting into.
00:32:39 Speaker 4
Your gum you like. Take the full thing out.
00:32:43 Dan Higginson
You're right, they are. They're sent here from hell.
00:32:45 Paul Bence
And then they're leaving the room. They're safe, like you're going to be filled with radiation. But we're just going to go outside while we do it.
00:32:53 Kate Burden
I'm gonna die around you.
00:33:03 Dan Higginson
I can't tell you.
00:33:04 Dan Higginson
How terrified I am of going to the.
00:33:06 Dan Higginson
Dentist but I.
00:33:07 Paul Bence
Me too. It's missed my worst thing on Earth. Like I'd rather have toothache than go to the dentist. I thought they hate it. It's like it's gonna be like the really hurting for me to go. OK, I'm gonna go now. Yeah. OK.
00:33:18 Dan Higginson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You you're folding, right? Yeah. OK. OK, OK. OK. OK.
00:33:22 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK. You forced me to laugh.
00:33:26 Dan Higginson
This this conversation has taken a few left hands. I'm just gonna try and drag us back. Tell us you. So you went? You studied fine art.
00:33:34 Dan Higginson
Right at university.
00:33:37 Dan Higginson
What was your work like then?
00:33:38 Dan Higginson
Was it anything like it is now?
00:33:41 Kate Burden
No, it is I.
00:33:43 Kate Burden
Did like video? Well, I did this create studies calls like HD thing and then I got on to the second year of a degree final and that was like time based media. It was called. So it was like short films and zombie car. That was the thing.
00:34:04 Dan Higginson
Sorry, was it Funny Car?
00:34:05 Kate Burden
Johnny Carr? Yeah, that's.
00:34:08 Paul Bence
Yeah. What is that?
00:34:08 Kate Burden
Sound just sound.
00:34:13 Dan Higginson
OK, I I still feel I am I being I don't.
00:34:14 Paul Bence
In the.
00:34:16 Dan Higginson
Know maybe I'm being arrested.
00:34:17 Dan Higginson
Here I'm not really cultured.
00:34:19 Paul Bence
Is that like?
00:34:20 Paul Bence
Doctor Who sounds like you would be making your own sounds and then.
00:34:23 Kate Burden
Like, you know, just yeah, why don't they just call it out? It's just all that, you know. But that was the thing. I don't even know if it exists anymore of that course, but.
00:34:26 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah you can.
00:34:36 Kate Burden
Yeah, it. Yeah, a lot different, I think that.
00:34:40 Kate Burden
I don't know. I just. I was really young when I went.
00:34:42 Kate Burden
And I just.
00:34:44 Kate Burden
You know, I thought, I think it. I made a lot of.
00:34:47 Kate Burden
Good friends and and.
00:34:49 Kate Burden
All that, but I wouldn't. You know, I just like, tell and I was just like, well, you know.
00:34:52 Paul Bence
We're ready for it, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:58 Kate Burden
Didn't take you say if I?
00:34:59 Kate Burden
Went back now I'd be.
00:35:00 Kate Burden
Like making notes of like things and like like can you do that again? You know just like.
00:35:06 Kate Burden
I just wasn't.
00:35:09 Kate Burden
Engaged. Very well, you know.
00:35:12 Kate Burden
But you never are aged.
00:35:13 Paul Bence
And whoever nobody is, though I think it's a really we've got it like that in in the European countries, they go university much later like 2526. And I think it's it's.
00:35:21 Kate Burden
Think. Yeah, I don't think they should. It should be loud. I think should go.
00:35:25 Kate Burden
Out and work.
00:35:27 Paul Bence
Yeah, exactly. You know from from 12 down the mines.
00:35:27 Dan Higginson
And come back.
00:35:29 Dan Higginson
What you wanna do?
00:35:31 Kate Burden
Yeah. Yeah, it's on there, you know a.
00:35:35 Kate Burden
Bit of hard work.
00:35:35 Kate Burden
Never let anyone you know, I think that.
00:35:39 Kate Burden
And I didn't really know what I was. If I had anything to say either. Like I didn't know who I was really. And like what you know or what I thought about things or. And I think the just kind of like.
00:35:54 Kate Burden
Not making anything and then making it. It feels like it feels like ohh, why was I doing this ages ago? You know, I would have been made better or it just progressed, but I just think that it's just.
00:36:07 Kate Burden
Life and what happens and it.
00:36:09 Speaker 4
Yeah, but you.
00:36:09 Paul Bence
Had a good time as well, right? I think I I was listening to somebody else of this exact conversation. I think it was David O'Mara. He's an Irish. He makes books, handmade books and photographs. He painter and decorator. He's been on before, but I think he was saying the same thing. He was talking to a friend and that he was saying, you know, I picked up these ten years of my life.
00:36:29 Paul Bence
I wish I'd concentrated on my work when I was younger.
00:36:33 Paul Bence
But but then he said, yeah, but, you know, I know another artist who who basically did concentrate all through his youth. And he's miserable because he missed those 10 years of his life. I'm having a good time and I think there's both sides of that coin right there. You know, maybe in balance. But when you don't have balance of 18, do you like you just don't. It's just.
00:36:52 Paul Bence
If I don't.
00:36:53 Paul Bence
Write a 48 for God's sake.
00:36:56 Kate Burden
Yeah, I think that everything seems like, oh, God, yeah, it was like over 20 years ago. And that blows my mind. And just like, they're like time. And I'm just like, yeah, just it's nuts because I feel like, oh, no, no, now it's like.
00:37:06 Paul Bence
Yeah, it's just weird, isn't it?
00:37:14 Kate Burden
I'm ready, but I was like.
00:37:16 Kate Burden
What's she doing? So she's like, you know, she's like, you know.
00:37:17 Speaker 4
If not.
00:37:23 Kate Burden
I don't know whatever I'm doing it.
00:37:24 Dan Higginson
I don't think there's ever a right time.
00:37:25 Kate Burden
Is there? Well, I just think you should just.
00:37:28 Dan Higginson
Have such thing?
00:37:29 Paul Bence
You can do it when you feel right, right, I think.
00:37:31 Dan Higginson
Yeah, it it kind of finds.
00:37:31 Paul Bence
That's the I'm I'm.
00:37:32 Paul Bence
You. Yeah, it just comes out.
00:37:34 Paul Bence
Of you? Yeah, I.
00:37:35 Kate Burden
Don't think you can stop it with any. I think if you try to depress it, it's just going to come out.
00:37:37 Paul Bence
No, no, I agree.
00:37:45 Kate Burden
Whether you like it or not.
00:37:47 Paul Bence
Yeah, that's interesting.
00:37:48 Dan Higginson
I definitely agree. It's a funny thing. You going back to university as like a magician. It's like it's a bit strange.
00:37:56 Dan Higginson
There's lots of stuff that you look.
00:37:57 Kate Burden
There now.
00:37:57 Dan Higginson
At yeah, yeah.
00:37:59 Dan Higginson
In the university now it's 38.
00:38:02 Kate Burden
But you can just take it in and just kind of like.
00:38:06 Kate Burden
I don't know. Do you feel?
00:38:07 Kate Burden
A bit more relaxed.
00:38:09 Kate Burden
You don't know what, right?
00:38:10 Dan Higginson
Nobody else in my family ever went to university, so I don't really know what to think. I mean, Tanya went. She's a she's a teacher now. A lot like your behalf. I don't know. I I didn't really know what to expect. Do you know what I mean? Cause my my parents didn't go. None of my siblings went. I don't think any of my cousins went either. Like, I think I'm the 1st.
00:38:25 Kate Burden
Never mind, didn't you both?
00:38:29 Dan Higginson
Done and it took me 38 years to get there.
00:38:31 Dan Higginson
Do you know?
00:38:32 Dan Higginson
I mean it's.
00:38:33 Dan Higginson
Yeah, I I don't.
00:38:33 Paul Bence
You know, now he's like, you're like grandfather, you know, they told the kids on you, they all come up to the.
00:38:38 Speaker 4
Hey, can we have some sweet stuff? And he gets out his pockets.
00:38:45 Paul Bence
And he gives them word as originals.
00:38:46 Dan Higginson
But then also weights these kids, they're all on my wickets, you know.
00:38:50 Dan Higginson
What I mean?
00:38:53 Speaker 4
You show us how to use the camera.
00:38:55 Kate Burden
No, not yet.
00:38:56 Dan Higginson
Any of that, they're all just doing like nitrous oxide and stuff, aren't they? They're all crazy as.
00:39:00 Dan Higginson
Luck. And it's not, it's not like it was when we were kids. All that stabbing each other and stuff. It's weird now being a kid.
00:39:09 Kate Burden
I think that do you think that the kid that you got like time? Yeah.
00:39:16 Paul Bence
Yeah, it's a bit poor and they're all inside doing crosswords and fit. Yeah, you.
00:39:21 Kate Burden
Right, what?
00:39:24 Paul Bence
You don't drink. They don't drink. They don't do weed or anything. Like they're just really boring.
00:39:29 Dan Higginson
They were concerned about each other's feelings.
00:39:32 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah.
00:39:33 Kate Burden
What's that?
00:39:34 Dan Higginson
I don't know. I don't know. It's really bizarre. You get there, you know? Who are we gonna start bullying and like? They're not into it.
00:39:43 Paul Bence
You were the.
00:39:45 Speaker 4
Detective home.
00:39:50 Dan Higginson
Spliffy bomber jacket.
00:39:53 Paul Bence
And you've got nails. This has been funny. This one today made me laugh. Kate. Honestly. So what's the what does the future hold on this burden and why? What's the plans with your work, do you?
00:40:07 Paul Bence
Do you have a like I I'm interested to know like you say you want to maybe collaborate with other people, move into a a bigger space so.
00:40:14 Paul Bence
You can make.
00:40:15 Paul Bence
Big work, but do you think you think?
00:40:17 Paul Bence
Like the the.
00:40:18 Paul Bence
The work, because it's so like I've just I as I look through your stream, it's it just blows my mind how good it.
00:40:23 Paul Bence
Is Kate? Honestly, I really love it.
00:40:26 Kate Burden
Ohh thank you.
00:40:27 Paul Bence
I really do like even the that's like I I I try to college my college really badly, right? Dan will tell you and am I know how difficult it is just to cut something out in the patients you need to to to cut some of the things out that you you're cutting out and like it's a skill in itself isn't it? And then.
00:40:45 Paul Bence
Or you cut. I think the bet you get at it as well, right? It's like it's. But I find it really like really.
00:40:52 Paul Bence
Most hypnotic in a way. If does that make sense? Like you're in like a trance when.
00:40:56 Paul Bence
It's in something nothing.
00:40:57 Kate Burden
Like you think about anything else? But then I just think what we're doing, you know, like putting this really and took it rib cage or whatever it is just around this book. And I'm like, it's like, hey, just find.
00:41:11 Kate Burden
It and I'll put it.
00:41:12 Kate Burden
Out in my hands, like wobbling and stuff. And then and.
00:41:18 Kate Burden
Yeah. And you see, why aren't I doing this digitally? You know, just like I've got got a rib cage there. What I want. And then you can find anything you wanna put it together? And it's just like.
00:41:28 Kate Burden
Yes, I sometimes I always like have that in.
00:41:31 Kate Burden
My mind like what you know like.
00:41:33 Paul Bence
Yeah, but I think I think and this is the point, I think there's there's something in the process of of.
00:41:41 Paul Bence
The cutting and the finding. So the finding 1st and then cutting right. That skill of cutting a piece of paper into.
00:41:51 Paul Bence
It's it's a skill, it's.
00:41:51 Paul Bence
Well, it's a wheel and one, I think.
00:41:54 Paul Bence
You know, like again my my my collage knowledge is limited. But I will say something that it it is a real skill and it takes a real eye to combine things that work and you you you work does that really natural. I think you really really really love it. I like the girl in the barrel.
00:42:14 Paul Bence
You did with the octopus.
00:42:17 Kate Burden
So that it really works and it's.
00:42:19 Kate Burden
Right, that's ohh. That came together bit too easy and you're like ohh I'd easily out the tentacles but then you just like. But then if it works it works and then some stuff.
00:42:30 Paul Bence
What's what's more important to you? The process of cutting or the finished piece?
00:42:40 Kate Burden
That well, that's.
00:42:41 Kate Burden
The prize at the end, isn't it? The end?
00:42:44 Kate Burden
But like why?
00:42:44 Kate Burden
Are you doing it? It's like, yeah. You don't think about?
00:42:46 Kate Burden
Anything any problems? It's just like.
00:42:49 Kate Burden
Yeah, you mean it?
00:42:51 Paul Bence
Do you sell your work? Have you sold any?
00:42:53 Paul Bence
Of your work, do you? Do you have any have any?
00:42:56 Paul Bence
No, you should communicate this is this.
00:42:58
I'm trying to.
00:43:00 Kate Burden
Trying to do print there and then, but I think the that gets the colours gets lost in the print because it's like flattened or whatever but.
00:43:11 Dan Higginson
Oh, interesting.
00:43:13 Kate Burden
Yeah, it I.
00:43:16 Kate Burden
Yes, I did that for a bit, but I've tried to sell a few.
00:43:19 Kate Burden
Bits but it.
00:43:20 Dan Higginson
I was actually gonna ask you about Prince after.
00:43:22 Kate Burden
The thing just my friends, just my my sons bought. Then God love him. It was just all my mates and that's really nice, isn't it? You know when you? Yeah, they, they, they they they supported and they bought my stuff and.
00:43:32 Paul Bence
It's nice when your friends.
00:43:40 Kate Burden
But then I.
00:43:40 Kate Burden
Just think ohh to make women eat. It's a.
00:43:43 Kate Burden
Hassle, you know, like.
00:43:44 Paul Bence
It's a hard work, isn't it? It's a real it's another job, right? It's a full, full time job, basically just.
00:43:49 Kate Burden
And you have to.
00:43:50 Kate Burden
Like kind of like, relentlessly like. Well, you know, yeah. And I just think it takes away from the what I'm doing. So I'm just like left that so.
00:43:52 Paul Bence
Crashed, that's all.
00:43:59 Dan Higginson
We heard a a vicious rumour that you work in a cinema projectionist.
00:44:04 Kate Burden
Do I do for a long time?
00:44:10 Paul Bence
I've also seen a lot of films.
00:44:13 Kate Burden
I've seen the beginning and the ending and it just doesn't look right and you get a.
00:44:21 Kate Burden
Call and it's like what's happened.
00:44:23 Kate Burden
Do you like? But yeah, weirdly not.
00:44:27 Kate Burden
All of the films.
00:44:29 Kate Burden
Right.
00:44:29 Kate Burden
Which is really annoying because we used to be able to when a film came in.
00:44:34 Kate Burden
When it was all.
00:44:35 Kate Burden
35 Now we used to.
00:44:36 Kate Burden
Be able to like go in like.
00:44:36 Dan Higginson
Sit up there with a popcorn and just.
00:44:39 Kate Burden
Yeah, just walked the whole thing through to see if it was like.
00:44:43 Kate Burden
See how the print was, but now it's like there's still some stuff that comes in on 35. Well, but it's like quite sporadic and and most of this digital in the making is do other things like, you know sorting out someones glitching.
00:45:00 Speaker 4
You, you. You.
00:45:01 Paul Bence
Or something you work with the film as well, right?
00:45:04 Paul Bence
You've done stuff with film in your career as well, like 30 are you like 35 millimetre and all sorts of stuff I was when I was Googling you. When we doing the Cape Verdean search.
00:45:15 Paul Bence
I I let let me let me just read you something that artificial intelligence said about you. You ready for this?
00:45:20 Kate Burden
Ohh great.
00:45:23 Dan Higginson
Ohh this is.
00:45:24 Dan Higginson
A terrifying game, Paul.
00:45:26 Dan Higginson
We've never done this to anybody else. This is this is just the UK.
00:45:29 Paul Bence
Kate, this is just for you. This is this is your accurate ears.
00:45:33 Paul Bence
Hang on, I'm just opening app.
00:45:34 Dan Higginson
This is terrifying. Did you do this?
00:45:37 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah, I do. And everybody now it's great.
00:45:39 Dan Higginson
This is amazing.
00:45:42 Dan Higginson
You should do it on the Idle House podcast and see what it says about us.
00:45:45 Paul Bence
That being, just opening it up one second.
00:45:49 Dan Higginson
OK, while I'm waiting for Paul, what's the best movie of all time?
00:45:59 Kate Burden
You can't. You can't. You can't.
00:46:02 Dan Higginson
Yeah you can.
00:46:03 Paul Bence
Yeah. What's the one you like? What's 1 you like?
00:46:06 Paul Bence
Like you know.
00:46:06 Kate Burden
What recently I've revisited is the aliens.
00:46:10 Kate Burden
Oh, OK yeah, I've got a new list of.
00:46:12 Dan Higginson
When you've got.
00:46:16 Kate Burden
That you know.
00:46:18 Dan Higginson
Did you ever see the duelists?
00:46:20 Dan Higginson
The first Ridley Scott. Yeah, the first Ridley Scott movie.
00:46:20 Kate Burden
Did you?
00:46:24 Kate Burden
No, not seeing, not see, I'm like.
00:46:28 Dan Higginson
Well, I was just talking about this yesterday. It was.
00:46:28 Kate Burden
Has it got onto the list?
00:46:30 Dan Higginson
It's it's really good. Don't try and find the trailer, though, because there's, like, some really shonky, like pirate trailers that are up on the Internet that make the film look absolutely terrible. But watch the movie. It's really, really good. It's basically the story of.
00:46:46 Dan Higginson
Two guys that.
00:46:49 Dan Higginson
I think they're on opposite sides of the French Revolution, but it's like their whole life and every time they bump into each other, they end up having a jaw because it's from from back in the time where men used to try and kill each other just to sell an argument and and they they bump into each other a handful of times throughout their life. So you kind of see them get older.
00:46:57 Kate Burden
Right.
00:47:08 Dan Higginson
And it's it's brilliant. It's it's like a very clever way of telling a story, but the.
00:47:14 Dan Higginson
The thing that.
00:47:15 Dan Higginson
Everyone talks about with it is, it's got the people say it's got the best sulfites of any movie ever.
00:47:21 Dan Higginson
Because it's. If you really think about what a sword fight would be like in your life, it's like a really terrifying knife fight, right? And they that it looks brutal as ****.
00:47:32 Dan Higginson
It's it's not. It's not Pirates of the Caribbean. No, no, it's it's. It's two men afraid.
00:47:37 Paul Bence
For their life I like, OK, that's good.
00:47:42 Dan Higginson
No, it's it's not that it. It looks like it would feel.
00:47:48 Kate Burden
Seen in movies.
00:47:50 Paul Bence
Because like I like a good fight, OK where?
00:47:51 Paul Bence
Is this going?
00:47:53 Kate Burden
Yeah, but the fact listen to movies that don't get cut are like.
00:47:57 Kate Burden
The long.
00:47:59 Kate Burden
You know, right.
00:47:59 Paul Bence
Flowing almost like a ballet dance. Almost. It's like a dance, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.
00:48:04 Kate Burden
And you just.
00:48:04 Kate Burden
Joking. Really. But it's like relentless as well, you know, and it's really like.
00:48:09 Kate Burden
Training hall and and.
00:48:10 Paul Bence
So so I was. I was I was. When when?
00:48:15 Paul Bence
A I did a tell me a little bit about keeping and they found me a photo of you from 2007 when you worked at the showroom work station in Sheffield.
00:48:25 Kate Burden
It's not the one that's on, it's still.
00:48:27 Kate Burden
On the website.
00:48:29 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:48:31 Paul Bence
Anyway, but I don't know how accurate this is and would you?
00:48:34 Dan Higginson
No, no, nobody listening can see this, but Kate has.
00:48:34 Paul Bence
Like me to read it to you.
00:48:36 Dan Higginson
Got a head?
00:48:36 Dan Higginson
In her hands right now.
00:48:37 Paul Bence
Kate Kate Woodham is a British artist who works in a variety of media, including film, sound, installation and photography. She's interested in exploring the relationship between technology and the body, and often uses the work to challenge and subvert traditional notions of beauty and representation.
00:48:57 Paul Bence
This is what it's all.
00:48:57 Dan Higginson
About you upload that Wikipedia right now, Paul.
00:49:03 Paul Bence
Burden's work is often characterised by the useless tongue.
00:49:06 Kate Burden
OK.
00:49:08 Paul Bence
By use of found materials and its exploration of unconventional techniques, she is a fearless experimenter and her.
00:49:15 Paul Bence
Work is always pushing.
00:49:16 Paul Bence
The boundaries of what's possible. She's one of the most interesting and the biggest artist working today.
00:49:23 Speaker 4
Yeah. And if you're, if you're.
00:49:25 Paul Bence
Having a bad day go and asking how to write about.
00:49:27 Paul Bence
I mean, you just been.
00:49:28 Kate Burden
Feeling great. You know I it starts.
00:49:32 Kate Burden
It must think well, Dave will work with you left me a hand over note. You know of what's going on, what needs to be done and stuff. So I've got into, like, into work. I saw this handover note and it was a story about like, you know, Bobby my cat and and this little guy. And I was reading it and it was really good.
00:49:52 Kate Burden
And I was like, I couldn't believe I was like Dave, this story is amazing. I thought he wrote it and he was like, yeah, you can thank AI.
00:49:59 Kate Burden
For that and I.
00:49:59 Kate Burden
Was like ohh, you know, been sucked in. I was. I was gutted. I was just like, oh, it's OK.
00:50:04 Dan Higginson
Did did the magic go immediately?
00:50:07 Kate Burden
Yeah, it went. Yeah. And I so I so.
00:50:08 Dan Higginson
This is exactly my experience of AI as well. Like the second you know.
00:50:12 Kate Burden
So stupid and I hated everything.
00:50:15 Paul Bence
Yeah. You you said when you stolen the ideas from people all over the world to make this story, that is, you think your friend has written for you and it's like this is amazing. It's so good. Like ah, yeah.
00:50:27 Kate Burden
Yeah. Am I with?
00:50:28 Dan Higginson
But the second you find out the Magic's gone right is because it doesn't have a soul. It's not. It feels more like a science experiment than a than a piece of art.
00:50:32 Kate Burden
And that's it.
00:50:35 Kate Burden
Yeah, it's just it's.
00:50:37 Kate Burden
Kind of empty and it feels you're leaving like.
00:50:40 Kate Burden
It it's like a.
00:50:41 Kate Burden
Yeah. You know, on a massive crash and.
00:50:44 Kate Burden
You just feel like.
00:50:45 Dan Higginson
Why do I want to read something? Nobody could be?
00:50:47 Dan Higginson
Bothered to write.
00:50:48 Dan Higginson
Yeah. Yeah, it's.
00:50:51 Kate Burden
It's bad. It needs to go, but it's not going.
00:50:54 Kate Burden
Is it no.
00:50:54 Paul Bence
It's gonna. It's gonna be it's gonna. It's gonna be every part of our lives, right? And our children's lives. And they probably won't even. It's just gonna. I don't. We can't even foresee the way that the that's the scary thing I think.
00:51:06 Kate Burden
It is scary it block it out.
00:51:09 Paul Bence
Just block it out. Yeah, ignore it, right?
00:51:11 Kate Burden
I mean it.
00:51:12 Paul Bence
Want to live with the no.
00:51:14 Dan Higginson
Yeah, this is.
00:51:16 Dan Higginson
There's a handful of Chinese students on my course, and one of them was telling me the other.
00:51:19 Dan Higginson
Day that there's.
00:51:21 Dan Higginson
But they might have just been ******* with me because it's quite easy to do. I'm pretty gullible. But they they told me that there's this, uh, like this face recognition software they have in China. And apparently it's literally called Skynet.
00:51:36 Paul Bence
They have it here now as well. So if like in if you go to football matches in Wales, South Wales Police have got this system where they scanning the crowd and then if you've got any criminal record whatsoever.
00:51:47 Paul Bence
They can.
00:51:47 Paul Bence
Just keep pull you out and you're in the back.
00:51:49 Paul Bence
Of the van son.
00:51:53 Paul Bence
It's scary, though. It's scary.
00:51:55 Paul Bence
Like and and you know I was. I was. It's the way that I think it's the micro implementations of of AI which is already in our lives and we use it for tiny things like maybe helping us to write or grammar and it's.
00:52:07 Paul Bence
It's because it's not a a massive jump, you know one minute where you know you just need to type in the next minute, there's a robot running down the road or helping your kid cross the road or this robot washing your dishes is the micro.
00:52:20 Paul Bence
Transgressions of AI into into our society that we've allowed it just to prevail until it gets to a point where it's like ****, we're not doing anything other than wiping our butts like it's like, you know it's it's it's, it's scary. It is so and and I don't like even talking about it it it it doesn't seem threatening or it doesn't seem.
00:52:40 Paul Bence
Like it's going to, but it is. It's going to alter all of our lives and such, and there will be other jobs and there will be other careers. But I think a large chunk of working class society will really struggle with.
00:52:53 Paul Bence
I don't know, 30 years is worrying. I I like. I worry for my children and my children's children like this. Weird. But you know, you don't know deal. You don't know how how dangerous this shirt is and and how we've just allowed it to take over everything that we do. And it will be every system. And we don't see it. So it's almost an invisible system.
00:53:13 Paul Bence
Because it it it's we're just like the the interface but yeah.
00:53:17 Kate Burden
It's it's, it's in there, isn't it? It's.
00:53:19 Kate Burden
It's like.
00:53:20 Kate Burden
It's it, it's happening, but.
00:53:20 Paul Bence
Don't forget about.
00:53:23 Kate Burden
Yeah, how can you stop? How can?
00:53:25 Kate Burden
You stop it.
00:53:25 Dan Higginson
Well, you're right, Kate. You don't need to worry about it because it says that you're the most interesting artist on.
00:53:30 Dan Higginson
The planet right now, yeah.
00:53:31 Paul Bence
You are hot started.
00:53:34 Speaker 4
May I?
00:53:34 Dan Higginson
You're you're going to be fine.
00:53:40 Paul Bence
I wonder The thing is you don't know, right? Like that's the point. Now you just don't know. Like, it's got to a point where it's it's it's.
00:53:49 Paul Bence
You know the the, you know, fake news and not the whole. That whole idea of what's like you all of a sudden these last few years you've seen fact checking and stuff on on news, right. And they they they verify and you know obviously.
00:54:04 Paul Bence
That that gives you some comfort in the the information that you will receive in is, but even that even that information like we we we're just there's so much of it coming at you from so many different and like how are you absorbing this stuff and then like you're creating like and just.
00:54:20 Dan Higginson
Yeah. Do you think that's what you're doing, Kate, do you think?
00:54:22 Dan Higginson
You're trying to make sense of the world.
00:54:23 Dan Higginson
With your colleges and your sculptures.
00:54:28 Kate Burden
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. But I think, but I I think a.
00:54:31 Kate Burden
Lot of it is.
00:54:33 Kate Burden
More like human interaction with like AI's.
00:54:38 Kate Burden
Annoying, but still human beings are annoying as well, so it's like I think.
00:54:43 Kate Burden
It's like it and.
00:54:45 Kate Burden
You know, reacting to that or like you know.
00:54:52 Paul Bence
The body.
00:54:54 Kate Burden
Like things like the mundane things or like, I don't know, maybe. Just like it's a little bit neurotic, like over thinking of things or like, I don't know, it's it's in there also like.
00:55:08 Kate Burden
It's it's kind of.
00:55:09 Kate Burden
Humorous, isn't it? It's kind of.
00:55:11 Kate Burden
Hope it is like.
00:55:13 Kate Burden
Like that, there's that side of.
00:55:14 Dan Higginson
I see it. I see it.
00:55:18 Kate Burden
It as well, so I think.
00:55:26 Paul Bence
We're losing.
00:55:26 Dan Higginson
Yeah, yeah, Kate, we're we're suffering a little bit over.
00:55:29 Dan Higginson
Here with with connection.
00:55:32 Dan Higginson
To help. Yeah, I'll tell you what. Let's let's have a chat quickly about our shouts, and then we'll we'll wrap up. I've already done my shout with Bobby Fingers. I think he's definitely my shout this.
00:55:45 Paul Bence
Yeah. OK. Bobby fingers. Nice.
00:55:47 Dan Higginson
I'm not going to bore everyone to death about it, cause I might just leave it in where it was right in the middle, but Paul, have you got ohk, OK? Just in case you.
00:55:54 Paul Bence
Kygo wives.
00:55:56 Paul Bence
Yeah. You're like you. Just to catch, you know.
00:55:58 Paul Bence
Completely off guard and tell them.
00:55:59 Dan Higginson
I I am, I am.
00:56:00 Paul Bence
OK, so every week we do a shout out at the end of the show whether you be.
00:56:03 Paul Bence
Saying like you got one, you got one.
00:56:08 Paul Bence
You get this.
00:56:09 Kate Burden
I've got an artist I really like and I think I think you two like him as well.
00:56:18 Paul Bence
I'm on the edge of my seat in the edge.
00:56:20 Paul Bence
Of my seats.
00:56:20 Dan Higginson
Google Earth.
00:56:27 Kate Burden
Something like this?
00:56:32 Dan Higginson
I I really wanted. Sorry, I'm. I'm gonna.
00:56:33 Kate Burden
Like show like vignette.
00:56:33 Dan Higginson
Cut you off, Kate.
00:56:35 Dan Higginson
Take I'm I'm really sorry to cut you off, but I really want whoever it is you're about to shout out to get the full benefit of all your kind words. And right now you are robot in.
00:56:44 Dan Higginson
Quite hard, you.
00:56:46 Paul Bence
Are like the you could you know what sounds much better when you sit there, go back a bit, go back.
00:56:48 Dan Higginson
Yeah, we're wearing wearing the dialogue laser.
00:56:56 Dan Higginson
This is this is balls fitting himself with a tinfoil.
00:56:58 Dan Higginson
Hat he's like if you just.
00:57:00 Paul Bence
When you when you sit there, I think maybe there's some interference. I don't know. Just try talking to me a minute.
00:57:08 Paul Bence
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it is not that.
00:57:11 Dan Higginson
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I I don't know if there was anything at all there. I think you're just you're just.
00:57:15 Dan Higginson
Connecting dots.
00:57:19 Dan Higginson
Let's give it a second. Let's pull if you go first and then maybe Kate's connection will catch up.
00:57:22 Paul Bence
OK, OK.
00:57:24 Paul Bence
OK, I'm going.
00:57:25 Paul Bence
That for a book and it's by a guy called Harry Marco Pulis.
00:57:31 Paul Bence
Poor loss and it seems.
00:57:33 Paul Bence
And he's just he's made scenes about the last 20 years, and it's just.
00:57:39 Paul Bence
Pictures from his scenes that he's made, but he's had such a prolific career and he's made such a varied.
00:57:46 Paul Bence
Amount of scenes it it just makes me feel like I'm inadequate, but it's great. It's really good. I really like it. I like.
00:57:54 Dan Higginson
So is it multiple publications all in one?
00:57:57 Paul Bence
Book. Yeah, exactly that exactly that, mate. And and all the ones he's made and some.
00:57:57 Dan Higginson
OK.
00:58:03 Paul Bence
Nice. Really good. I really like it.
00:58:04 Dan Higginson
There was lots.
00:58:05 Dan Higginson
Of portraiture and stuff phone number rightly, I think you told me about.
00:58:07 Paul Bence
Lots of.
00:58:07 Paul Bence
This the other day, right? Yeah, port. But it's a mixture, you know. He's he's a bit of a mundane family. There's some.
00:58:16 Paul Bence
Is that it has lots of growth, some graffiti. So we just heard this, I.
00:58:21 Paul Bence
Really was looking at.
00:58:21 Dan Higginson
Quite varied.
00:58:23 Paul Bence
And and and just the various forms he's used to make the scenes. Like he's not. You know, he's not using a print shop on online like blurb or something. He's actually had naked magazines. So there's quite a bit of that. It's got a bit of that DIY element to it, which makes me like it more. You know, it's got about handmade, something that you.
00:58:32 Dan Higginson
OK.
00:58:42 Paul Bence
You can feel, you know, and you appreciate.
00:58:45 Paul Bence
The the craft.
00:58:47 Dan Higginson
Bit more tactile. Nice.
00:58:47 Paul Bence
Good. It's. Yeah, tactile. It's good, Ari marcopoulos zooms.
00:58:55 Dan Higginson
Kate, over to you. Come on, Kate. Come on.
00:58:59 Kate Burden
If that ever weird.
00:59:00 Kate Burden
It's. Yeah, it's not. It's just called some construct.
00:59:04
No, no.
00:59:07 Dan Higginson
Could you, could you turn off?
00:59:09 Dan Higginson
Your video for a second. Let's see if this helps.
00:59:12 Paul Bence
Play your video again. Yeah. Try turn off your.
00:59:14 Paul Bence
Video again, Katie.
00:59:16 Dan Higginson
Give it a go, Kate. Let's see.
00:59:17 Kate Burden
Is that help a little bit?
00:59:17 Dan Higginson
How we get on?
00:59:19 Speaker 4
Thank you.
00:59:19 Paul Bence
Or maybe it has.
00:59:21 Kate Burden
There is.
00:59:23
They start out.
00:59:24 Kate Burden
And the artist is called sunken ****.
00:59:28 Kate Burden
Did you get that?
00:59:28 Paul Bence
We did sunken skunked, sunken ****. Yes. Well, awesome. OK, tell us about sunken skat kid.
00:59:36 Kate Burden
It's like it's like.
00:59:38 Kate Burden
It's like little vignettes and poultry, it's.
00:59:43 Kate Burden
All fun drone.
00:59:45 Kate Burden
And the tags. Amazing. And it just sucks you in and it's funny and took it out. It's like a visual feast for the eyes also.
00:59:56 Kate Burden
I really need all my things and it's doing it's genius.
01:00:03 Dan Higginson
How do we find? How do we find Frankenstein? Is it one word? Is it?
01:00:06 Dan Higginson
Multiple words like.
01:00:07 Kate Burden
It's just one word, it's S.
01:00:09 Kate Burden
UNKENSKATT. It's just, yeah.
01:00:17 Paul Bence
FUNKENSCATT.
01:00:24 Dan Higginson
I'm already I'm on. I'm.
01:00:26 Dan Higginson
On Franklin Scotts website OK.
01:00:26 Paul Bence
I was just helping. I was just helping you. Dyslexic.
01:00:28 Paul Bence
You don't.
01:00:29 Dan Higginson
Yeah. No, I'm there. I'm there.
01:00:32 Dan Higginson
Even with my dyslexia.
01:00:35 Kate Burden
And maybe spell it wrong.
01:00:42 Paul Bence
OK. Can I say thank you for coming on today and giving us your time. I know. My God, precious. Your time is so really like, and I'm sorry that the connection was a bit crap up points, but I think actually we got through it and it was really nice talking to you. I really enjoyed it. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for giving me your.
01:00:58 Paul Bence
Time today. Appreciate it, you know, and you have to stay in touch with us as well. And we want you to have an exhibition so we can come up and support you. You should get your work.
01:01:05 Dan Higginson
Yeah, that'd be great.
01:01:06 Paul Bence
Out there, it's amazing.
01:01:08 Dan Higginson
It's really good where where can people keep up to date with your work on the Internet?
01:01:12 Kate Burden
And now we've not got anything on Instagram.
01:01:28 Dan Higginson
So your your Instagram is Kate underscore burden, right?
01:01:34 Dan Higginson
Wait, how many? How many?
01:01:36 Dan Higginson
I just called.
01:01:38 Paul Bence
There's 211. There's one in the middle, and there's one at the end.
01:01:38 Dan Higginson
That's two underscore, OK.
01:01:42 Dan Higginson
I'm sorry, Kate. So it's Kate underscore Ben underscore, right?
01:01:46 Kate Burden
It's Kathy.
01:01:48 Dan Higginson
No, it's it's better than mine. I I put my middle initial in mine just because I'm being really difficult.
01:01:52 Paul Bence
If anybody can come up with a new name for Kates colleges, you.
01:01:56 Paul Bence
Like maybe. Sorry, not not kids college, just kids. Instagram profile, please. Answers on the postcard.
01:02:04 Kate Burden
Thank you so much.
01:02:12 Dan Higginson
It's fine, I think. I'm sure people can bear with it. It it wasn't that bad. Most of the way through there a couple of points were a little bit choppy and I'll I'll try and clean those up a little bit in the edit, but it's not a problem you can catch Paul at Paul Bentz UK, you can catch me at Dan, underscore S underscore Higginson.
01:02:32 Dan Higginson
Underscore underscore underscore **.
01:02:35 Dan Higginson
And you can catch him. Yeah. Yeah. And you can catch both of us at iCloud society. Anyone else we want to give out in Skype.
01:02:36 Paul Bence
973164.
01:02:44 Paul Bence
And we've got a newsletter. We got a newsletter coming out. We got news. I'm having a read. Our website has been redesigned by when talented Welsh men with no legs. But that's some of the story. But it's coming. It's coming. We got lots of things happening. We're gonna have the roadshow. Dan's going to basically get a ice cream van and drive around the country.
01:03:00 Paul Bence
Yeah, you know, I can't swipe them.
01:03:01 Dan Higginson
I'm out. I'm on day.
01:03:03 Dan Higginson
Place and arrive out of town near you in.
01:03:07 Dan Higginson
You know, I'm really. I'm really, really going down in an ice cream truck.
01:03:07 Paul Bence
Of the three raised three people.
01:03:11 Paul Bence
Yeah. Yeah, that's the plan. But you reckon?
01:03:13 Dan Higginson
Why? Why not?
01:03:14 Paul Bence
I just exactly so we can play music. I wanna play like, what? Sound what? What? What music. Shall we play out of our?
01:03:22 Paul Bence
Ice cream bar on the net.
01:03:23 Dan Higginson
Ohh, Slayer, rain and blood right?
01:03:29 Kate Burden
And he used to play that.
01:03:44 Paul Bence
It's the best.
01:03:46 Dan Higginson
I don't remember what my news today. I just remember getting really excited about.
01:03:50 Paul Bence
You, you you didn't have ice cream that time.
01:03:50
Ice cream.
01:03:52 Dan Higginson
What's your ice cream order?
01:03:56 Dan Higginson
Drake wave. Justified. Sorry. Did you say your?
01:03:59 Kate Burden
Did you sort of pop?
01:04:01 Dan Higginson
What? Sorry I popped up.
01:04:04 Kate Burden
Don't say sorry. What did you say then, Kate?
01:04:16 Dan Higginson
Fizzy pop.
01:04:18 Kate Burden
On the street.
01:04:19 Kate Burden
On the street. But did you?
01:04:20 Paul Bence
Yes, yes, yes. Glass bottles. And you used to give the bottles back and you used to get like pens for every bottle you would turn. Yeah, yeah, no. That's why I've got. That's why I've got bad teeth now. I've been good.
01:04:30 Dan Higginson
We didn't have any.
01:04:34 Dan Higginson
********. Yeah. We didn't have anything like that in in the shitholes living in.
01:04:40 Dan Higginson
Been royally ****** out of all the childhood experiences we didn't get, we just got mugged on the corner of the street. That was what happened.
01:04:41 Paul Bence
You'll be milked.
01:04:47 Paul Bence
You just ate. You just ate grass in the field, and then grandma came and looked you, that's what.
01:04:50 Dan Higginson
Listen, you were lucky if you got grass in the field when you were my age, but they weren't even fields. It was just barren concrete wasteland, yes.
01:04:59 Paul Bence
Sorry I I I got confused.
01:05:01 Paul Bence
About the warm grass.
01:05:02 Dan Higginson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:03 Dan Higginson
We had loads of that grass that.
01:05:05 Dan Higginson
In the field. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
01:05:10 Dan Higginson
Yeah, it was just just heroin addicts and.
01:05:13 Dan Higginson
And yeah, like people saying.
01:05:14 Paul Bence
You paint such a beautiful picture. Really. It's it's. It makes me almost want to move to work here.
01:05:20 Paul Bence
Bring my my caravan there and and settle down for my my, my, my retirement years. Yeah, on my on my way before I like. I'm coming now.
01:05:22 Dan Higginson
Your ice cream truck.
01:05:31 Dan Higginson
No, it wasn't that bad. There was there was one filled. It was like was that Bill Bailey bit where he's talking about urban scrumping.
01:05:38 Dan Higginson
Right. Stealing car stereos.
01:05:40 Paul Bence
I don't know where you're going.
01:05:41 Dan Higginson
Right, let's get the ****.
01:05:42 Dan Higginson
Out of here.
01:05:47 Paul Bence
Missus. Burden, are you missus burden or miss burden? You're missus burden, aren't you? Are you married, Keith?
01:05:54 Kate Burden
I don't always say that.
01:05:54 Paul Bence
You missed it.
01:05:58 Paul Bence
You're not married. OK. OK. Thank you. Thank you, Kate. We we would like.
01:06:04 Paul Bence
Well, maybe you can get married next time for the podcast. We can do getting married live on.
01:06:08 Paul Bence
The podcast.
01:06:11 Paul Bence
Thank you. I really appreciate your case.
01:06:13 Paul Bence
Mike, are we going to end that? Press stop.
01:06:16 Dan Higginson
Yeah. Thank you. Catch you soon.
